Editor’s Note: The interview took place via zoom on 3/4/22. The Horn previously interviewed Robert in June of 2021. That interview can be found here–Part 1 and 2.
Garrit: What are your thoughts on the results of the March 1st primary?
Robert: It was weird for me. When I was watching the results, especially from the governor’s race, the two people at the very bottom wound up with .6%–a complete tie. The next person up got 1.2%. It’s just strange that you would add the bottom two and get the next result. The next people got 3.8% and 3.4%–which has a median of 3.6 (which is exactly three times what the person below them got). Then you had West and Huffines trading places all night long. They wound up with 12.2% and 12%. Before the election, everybody said that Abbott had to finish in the mid to high 60s. He finished 66%. It looks a little neat to me. I don’t know if you’re familiar with Bradford’s law but Bradford’s law says that in any set of naturally-occurring numbers, you’re going to get about a set of 20 numbers, about 6 of them are going to be ones, about 4 of them are going to be twos, and about .88 are going to be nines. So, out of 20 numbers, you should see a nine, maybe an eight, and maybe a couple of sevens. It’s how tax cases are reviewed. They just add up all the numbers on the tax return and run them through Bradford’s law. If they don’t get enough ones or they get too many sevens, then they will look at it more carefully. The Governor race passed that test on two out of nine numbers. The Lieutenant Governor’s race, which was another race that had a tie in it, passed two out of those nine numbers. Something’s off. I don’t know if you’ve seen the video about the mess they have in Houston but at one point their attorney steps up and he is mad. He says he’s been looking at these numbers all night, that they’re not arranged, and that they’re not done according to protocol. We have all of this mess for only 15% turnout. Imagine if this was a presidential election with a 50% turnout–we’ll be a national embarrassment. These numbers are just too ordered. There were several exact ties–or within a 10th of a percent in one race–in some of these congressional races. You just don’t see that in an election. Now, from a standpoint of the Five Star Plan, we got six people across the finish line. We’ve got David Lowe in a race against Stephanie Klick. Everybody in Texas needs to come together and help this guy out. Stephanie Klick killed the child gender mutilation bill. She should be the number one target for everybody in Texas. The establishment is going to give her millions of dollars. She spent $200,000 on TV ads for a primary–expect her to spend a lot more for the runoff.
Garrit: Yeah, it was very exciting to see David make it into the runoff–especially in a night with many disappointments. Why do you think Abbott, after all that he did during COVID with putting everybody out of work, won? We talked about all of those people that would be angry and would come out and vote against him, but, as we saw on Tuesday, he got 66% of the vote. Why do you think that happened?
Robert: I don’t trust the numbers. I didn’t trust the election last time, and I don’t trust the election this time. I don’t trust the counting machines. I’ve been in electronics for 30 years; I can program a machine to do anything I want to do. It’s suspicious to me that he finished exactly where he said he was going to finish. It’s suspicious to me that you would have–not one tie–three tiers of ties in that one election. There were also a dozen of other races that had ties. In the Lieutenant Governor’s race, there were two gentlemen that were exactly tied–Aaron Sorrells and Zach Vance. If you know of Vance, you would know that he doesn’t sound like your typical Republican. In fact, he doesn’t sound like a Republican in a lot of cases. One of his big issues was to spend US tax money to make Mexico so nice that nobody wanted to leave. I don’t think Republicans showed up in droves and voted for that guy. I haven’t seen signs or billboards from him. In fact, on one drive through East Texas, I spotted more Aaron Sorrells signs than Greg Abbott signs. I keep getting phone calls from people you have interviewed. Joe McDaniel, for example, has said that the election was real odd. In all the counties it was about a 50/50 split between him and Moran. It was a very close race in every county except Smith County. The same Smith County where Moran raised taxes twice and has scheduled a third tax increase. Moran put people out of work and shut everything down even worse than it was across most of Texas. Yet, he won with 80% of the vote in Smith County. It seems suspicious to me, and I think a lot of people don’t trust the results.
Garrit: Where do you think the “Anybody But Abbott” movement goes from here?
Robert: Quite frankly, I know a lot of people, myself included, that will not pull the lever for a man that violated my constitutional rights. This election comes down to two tyrants. I’m not gonna vote for a tyrant. So, there’s a guy that promises to violate my constitutional rights–Beto–but Abbott’s already done it. If somebody’s talking about beating me up and then another guy has already beaten me up, which one do I want to be alone with in a room? I think if Beto is governor, and he steps over the line, then our legislature will be more likely to stand up. Our legislature has proven that Abbott is more important to their careers than us or our rights. So, unfortunately, I can’t pull the lever for either one of them. I think there are enough people that won’t pull a lever for Abbott that Beto will win. It’s one of the things I was scared of, and it’s one of the things I preached to the party. If Beto were to win, then it would be the fault of the Republican Party of Texas for not pulling Abbott’s Republican card. We have 15 County GOPs that have censured him for constitutional violations. In many cases it was unanimous. There was no argument that he violated our Constitution. For the GOP to be so full of cowards and cronies that they would not remove Abbott as a figurehead for the party, is a failure on their part. If I hire a guy to represent my business, and he goes out, gets drunk, kills a family of eight, robs a bank, and slaps some old lady down the street, and I don’t fire him, then my business gets a bad reputation. They failed to fire him when they had the chance. They’re gonna turn around and blame me for not voting for the guy. I’m one vote, and you’re the party. Pick better representatives and I’ll vote for them.
Garrit: Moving on to the Five Star Candidates. Can you give me your thoughts about some of the ones that did lose their races?
Robert: Sure. Joe McDaniel lost his race. He learned a lot. In fact, I just got off the phone with him before this interview. He’s in a great place, and he’s looking at moving forward. We’ve got to build that precinct by precinct, and we’ve got to take it county by county. We’ve got to retake the GOP. We’ve been invited to come to the precinct and county conventions. Stormy Bradley out in West Texas ran for State Senate and came in third place. She learned a lot. She’s very busy with her businesses and with raising her kids. She’ll probably run for it again. Most of these people that get involved see what’s going on, they meet some of their opponents, and they say, “I can do better than that.” We just got to figure out a way to get it done and get some synergy going. Once we organize this and get a group of people in place, we can move forward. Precinct chairs, however, if we can replace precinct chairs and fill these empty slots, you can get rid of these politicians before the primaries. Look at what happened to Chris Paddie over in your district. Cass County, Shelby County, and Harrison County were all lined up to censure Paddie. Once that happened, he pulled his name out of the hat. Now, that’s the Republican Party working the way it should work. A lot of people say a bad Republican is better than a Democrat. That’s wrong; a bad Republican is a Democrat. The rural Republicans are the worst. The really conservative legislators, most of the time, are in more urban areas. Look at your Briscoe Cains and such. You’ll find them living in a city. You saw these three-way affairs that were going on during the legislative session. These people get elected with 66% or 80% of the vote. It strikes me as odd that they could get such a high percentage of votes in the Bible Belt. These people can’t keep an oath.
Garrit: One race in particular that I found very interesting was the CD4 race with Dan Thomas. I thought it was very impressive that he was able to get 30% against Pat Fallon, who is a Trump-backed incumbent congressman.
Robert: I thought it was telling that an incumbent congressman in North Texas would spend money for national TV ads in a primary. A lot of state reps dropped a couple of hundred thousand dollars in TV advertisements in this primary. A state rep that makes 700 dollars a month spent $200,000 on TV ads. The weird thing about that is they spend it in the last week of the primary. If you know anything about marketing, you know that you need to see a commercial about three times before it even registers in your brain. So, someone that spends $200,000 on something that’s not really going to do them any good. I don’t trust that person with my tax money. So, we’re still building up the organization. We’re still adding people; we had a dozen people join in one day. We’ve got people all over Texas, and we’ve sold the book all over the place. I just did an interview with Alex Newman of the Epoch Times. So, it is a message I think that people can grasp. We’ve also got to convince voters that they’re the owners and operators of this country–they’re in charge. The founders never said, “this party would take power when they won an election.” It was never “ the Democrats are in power” or “the Republicans are in power.” No, nobody’s under the President or the party. The people are at the top. So, that has to change.
Garrit: What does the future hold for The Five Star Plan?
Robert: We’ve already started moving on. We’re holding meetings. I’m out on the internet finding people that aren’t happy with the GOP, and I’m trying to grab everybody that’s talking about a third party–because that would be the death of the GOP in Texas. A third party would guarantee the Democrats win every election from now on. You’ll remember from history that Ross Perot guaranteed Clinton would win. I don’t think a whole lot of Democrats got in line to vote for Perot. What I’m saying to these people that want to start a third party is to join the GOP and take it over. It’s not that hard. We’ve got a third of these precinct chair positions that are open. You just have to step up, volunteer, and get sworn in. They meet–maybe–once a month for an hour. It’s not a huge time commitment. Ultimately, they are the top chain of the party. They’re closest to the voter. So, we’re pushing to take over the GOP at the precinct level. We need people with backbones that will stand up.
Garrit: What about some of the candidates that lost on Tuesday? Have any of them talked about running again in two years?
Robert: Oh, absolutely! Joe McDaniel is all fired up. I don’t think he’s taking his billboard signs down. I don’t think Aaron Sorrells is going to back down from what he wants. Of course, that’s going to take a couple more years. In the meantime, we are going to get these candidates to become precinct chairs, to block walk, to organize, to volunteer for the party, and to get more people involved with The Five Star Plan. We’re not going away. We had our losses, but we had six wins.
Garrit: I also saw that you were going to be having a podcast soon. Can you tell me a little bit about that?
Robert: Yeah, that’s going to launch this month. We’re in the process of opening a bar. Now, I’m the perfect bar owner–I don’t drink and I don’t smoke. I’m boring. So, we’re in the process of opening that up. People have talked about me doing a podcast for some time. I was on the Chad Prather Show, but I never really thought about doing a podcast. Everybody thinks they can do a radio show or a Podcast. I’m not so sure, but we’ll give it a shot. A lot of people have been asking for it. So, we’ll do it. I’m actually more of a writer. I called Chad Prather. Chad Prather’s claim to fame was that he put a bar inside his studio. I told him that I’m going to put a studio inside my bar. So, that should be fun.
Garrit: What exactly can we expect from this podcast?
Robert: Information more than anything else. You know, a lady came up to me–she read the book–and said, “you know what you do? You educate, motivate, and activate.” So, that’s our thing. We educate people, and we tell them how to do things in a way they can understand and explain to other people. In our last interview, I explained the Constitution as a contract between you and some guards–that’s what it is. If these guards break the rules about hurting you or your family, going into your kid’s room when it’s not a life or death situation, or breaking your stuff you would fire them. You wouldn’t put up with them breaking more than one of those rules. In Abbott’s case, he broke 17 rules and people are still out waving his signs around. They hear “Constitution” and their eyes glaze over. They don’t understand how important it is. You have to stop tyrants when they break little rules. If we reward Abbott with our support after he violated his oath, our rights, and the Constitution, it gives him–or the next Governor–permission to go further next time. We can’t allow that to happen. So, that’s what I’m doing. I’m educating and motivating. Once I tell people about what to do and how to do it, then I expect them to go out and do it–because I can’t do it all on my own.
Garrit: Well, I’m looking forward to it, and that should be coming out this month?
Robert: Well, we’ve already rolled out the program. I’ve got another book coming out on November 4th when most people think the election is over and that they can relax. My new book is Project 5000. That is going to start the next process. We have to start the day after the election. If we’re going to affect the following election, we can’t wait till a month before and then get heavily involved–there’s no way to catch up or get anything done. We need to be dedicated to this. I was in the military for six years; I dedicated six years to defend the nation. So, I should easily dedicate at least four to six years to straighten this mess out. My family, for generations, have gone overseas to fight for freedom and come back to find less of it. We have to stay here and fight. We see the tyranny in Canada, for crying out loud, where the cops are running over citizens with horses. That shouldn’t be acceptable in any civilization. So, I don’t know what’s going on. Everybody’s concerned with the invasion of Ukraine; I’m concerned with the invasion of Texas. We have 160,000 illegals coming across the border every month in Texas. So, Abbott hasn’t done anything about it. In all the years he’s been in office, I don’t expect him to do anything about it. So, we’ve got to get involved.
Garrit: With everything that you’ve gone through with The Five Star Plan, what has been your main takeaway from this experience?
Robert: There are a lot of good people out there that are sick and tired of being sick and tired. For anybody out there that has gone to a meeting or wants to go to a meeting but can’t find one, I’ve got a whole list of conservative groups on my website. It’s all spelled out; go to the Resources tab. These groups are like churches–they’re all good, but some of them don’t fit. So, keep going to the ones until you fit them. These people that are active now got up off of our couch, went to a meeting, and voted–they’re activists. I had a gentleman tell me once that “a political activist is merely a person that just got sick and tired of being sick and tired.” You got to hold those issues that got you off the couch in your mind. What got you involved? What broke the straw? For me, it was the mandates. For other people, it was not passing the abolishment of child gender modification. Somebody else might have gone down and testified about reducing property taxes or eliminating property taxes, and the representative got up and walked out of the room. Everybody’s got a reason why they’re fed up. They got to keep that in their mind. Whatever that reason is, that’s a valid reason. So, these people have to be involved and they have to recruit other people.
Garrit: To end this interview, I’ll ask you the same question I did last time. Do you plan on ever making another run for office?
Robert: No. I have had everybody in every county that I’ve gone to suggest that I run for something. My wife was talking about me running for something the other day, and she never wants me to run for anything. Currently, I do not have a plan to run for any office. In fact, when I came here to Harrison County, I called the county chair Lee Lester (the first guy to pass a censure against Abbott and Paddie) and said, “hey, where’s your precinct convention going to be after the election.” It turns out that it’s Saturday. I urge all voters to find out where their precinct and county conventions are and attend them. It’s your only place where you can really suggest a law idea, get it adopted, and get it put into the Republican Party platform. But I called him up and said, “before you say anything. I’m not trying to run for an office down here. I’m not trying to get involved with the party. I am not looking to be a delegate.” He goes, “why not? We need delegates. We don’t have enough.” So, he has talked us into going and being a delegate. So, my next election will be trying to get selected as a delegate for the state convention. That’s as far as I want to go right now. I’m doing more good across Texas than I could do in almost any race. We’ve seated several hundred precinct chair positions. We’ve recruited candidates for statewide, State Senate, and State House offices. So, we’ve gotten hundreds and maybe thousands of people involved that wouldn’t be involved otherwise. So, I’ll be doing this full-time. If me running for office does come up, I’ll let you know. You’ll be the first one I’ll let know, and I’ll ask you if you think that it’s a good idea. Everybody else seems to think that I’m doing this for money, fame, or to get elected someday. I’m doing this for all people that came before me. I don’t want to be famous, and I don’t want to be elected. I want to just be me, but we need to fix this. I can’t leave this mess for the next generation.
